Film Theory: Why You SHOULDN'T FLY to Mordor! (The Lord of the Rings)

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Luke Somers
Luke Somers - پیش 33 دقیقه
At 9:50 you say he never touches it. He touches it in the fire-writing scene. Bare fingers and all. I was shocked when I came across that part. And it's not like he doesn't know which ring it is at that point. I guess he was confident enough at that point that he was not taking possession of it merely by touching it, and only later learned to be even more cautious.
Kong V
Kong V - پیش 40 دقیقه
Mountains are too dangerious for the eagles to fly over... except when flying over them, like how Gandalf reached the eagle king.
David Nylander
David Nylander - پیش ساعت
I cringe every time he pronounces Sauron Saw-rawn 😅
jackkoffin1
jackkoffin1 - پیش 2 ساعت
The eagles were the servants of Manwe, the leader of the Valar.
Manwe was also partner of Elbereth, essentially thd husband and wife duo who represented the sky. Sauron probably hated and feared these two more than any other beings on Earth. So, naturally he couldn't fail to notice a cadre of Eagles flying into Mordor. Once noticed, every ounce of his power would be directed at them, and if they had the Ring, or the hobbits with them, end of story. Sauron would very likely stopped them before they got near Mount Doom, which lay between Minas Morgul to the Southwest and Baradur to the Northeast, right in the middle of Mordor's most densely populated region. Stealth on the ground was far better a plan than drawing the attention of every evil beast in a 100 mile radius by flying in.
Koks Auge
Koks Auge - پیش 3 ساعت
I LOVE THIS!!! I LAUGHED SO FUCKING MUCH!!!!!
Necron99
Necron99 - پیش 4 ساعت
I want to prove you wrong… But you nailed it.
Pablo Espinosa
Pablo Espinosa - پیش 4 ساعت
I think, the problem with the eagles in the films is that they don't speak. For any movie viewer, eagles are creatures invoked by gandalf through a moth. if you read the books, you learn that eagles aren't just some creatures at Gandalf's disposal, they are sentient beings with their own motivatins and fears, they would avoid going to war as long as they can remain neutral, they wouldn't go to war just to help humankind because humans are dicks to the eagles. And yes, they can be killed by arrows. They help Gandalf because he saved the eagle lord once.
It's weird to me that movie Gandalf speak to a moth, but never say a single word to the eagles, not even "thank you", what a jerk!
Alessandro Mariani
Alessandro Mariani - پیش 14 ساعت
You are not a mage! Shut up!
Winston Smith - Ministry of Truth
Winston Smith - Ministry of Truth - پیش 15 ساعت
I dont think the eagles were demi-gods. Definitely powerful, just like Shelob but even she wasnt a demi-god....she could be killed. Even Balrogs which were Fire Demons could be destroyed - whether or not they are simply banished is not clear but it seems if they are killed they are permanently destroyed; like dragons, none of whom returned after their deaths. The Balrog in Moria was after the ring for itself so your theory about the ring corrupting and being desired by the eagles is possible. I dont understand why Sauron would make himself vulnerable by instilling his life force in a ring which can be destroyed allowing him not to return, as Gandalf was able to do, unless, with the Destruction of Melkor he could no longer be brought back if he was destroyed.
Homie Pandos
Homie Pandos - پیش 15 ساعت
If I remember correctly, there was a scene in The Hobbit where Gandalf, Bilbo, and the dwarfs are rescued by the Eagles. At this point Frodo has the ring but the Eagles do nothing about it. It might be because they don't sense it or know it's there or they just don't care. It would probably have been safe to fly over Mount Doom if the Eagles weren't told the true purpose.
Being ancient creatures they of course probably aren't stupid so... Who knows, maybe they would see right through the trick. Or maybe they just have no interest in power at all.
But hey, it's not like we have Tolkien to answer these kinds of things.
Know One
Know One - پیش 16 ساعت
Please buy a dictionary and look up the definition of THEORY.
Know One
Know One - پیش 16 ساعت
You get a thumbs down because your opening "jokes" were not funny. Also, that is a QUESTION, not a theory. You see, a theory is based on facts. A theory is testable. None of this fits the definition of theory. At best, it is conjecture. Finally, Lord of the Rings doesn't take place in the winter. It actually begins in the summer and the adventure takes the better part of a year to finish. As you are obviously not familiar with either the books or the movies, there is no point in continuing to watch you make a fool of yourself.
Evi Kerzel
Evi Kerzel - پیش روز
Wait ... in the "Hobbit"-Book the Eagles saved the dwarfs and Biblo. And he bears the One Ring.
SIALI PRODUCTIONS
SIALI PRODUCTIONS - پیش روز
why da fk am i watching this
Ronald Pikksaar
Ronald Pikksaar - پیش روز
I don't believe for one second that you read any of those books since you didn't know about Tom Bombadil, you know, the one so powerful that the One Ring had no effect on him, none what-so-ever. You know, the one character that was left out of the films. No wonder you didn't know about him since you are a film theorist. So ultimately your so-called "debunking" has more holes than that far flung theory - an actual book theory.
Lars Eiøre
Lars Eiøre - پیش روز
My theori is: It would be an incredibly boring story.
Gandalf: OMG you have the ring, we must destroy it.
Frodo: But how?
Gandalf: (Summons the eagels) get on.
Rest of the book/movie: Cruising on the eagles, plop (drops the ring in the lava)
The end.
Bryan McCormick
Bryan McCormick - پیش روز
i think part of what makes people so adamant about the eagles is that sauron's power always seems to methodical and slow, he doesn't actually have a laser power that could just shoot down the eagles that we're ever made aware of... but it's interesting to think that if the eagles had the ring sauron's powers would increase also... that's probably the most incredible part of tolkien's storytelling to undergo all of this rule-setting without going into epic rants about the tedium of why this and why not that... i can't believe you read all that source material, i've only made it up to the hobbit, fellowship, and the first couple chapters of two towers
Devin M.
Devin M. - پیش روز
The ring adjusts itself to it's wielder remember?
AntimatePcCustom
AntimatePcCustom - پیش روز
The book theory buster ;D
Pro Ebonics
Pro Ebonics - پیش روز
you are pretty entertaining buddy
CreativeWonderCraft
CreativeWonderCraft - پیش روز
7:42 Yavanna and Monwe made the Eagles. XD
Erik Joosten
Erik Joosten - پیش روز
the ring works proportionally to the power of the holder..... then explain Tom Bombadil.......?
qwertical
qwertical - پیش روز
Talks about the alps, has Norwegian flag on display. Pat, you need to go visit the alps more :)
Twig Legg
Twig Legg - پیش 2 روز
C.S. Lewis!!!!
Todd Abbott
Todd Abbott - پیش 2 روز
But in the Hobbit Bilbo gets the ring in chapter 5 and the Lord of the Eagles saves them in chapter 6. Plus Gandalf might not have wanted to possess the ring, but he had no troubles travelling with it. Same with Galadriel, she had no problem being near the ring or touching the ring bearer, but did not want to possess the ring. Your theory sounds good, but if Gandalf and Galadriel could be near the ring bearer for extended periods without any trouble then the great eagles could have carried them to Mount Doom.
LajosH90
LajosH90 - پیش 2 روز
love that Norway beanie in the Alps =D
GeoGal TwoThousandFive
GeoGal TwoThousandFive - پیش 2 روز
I thought it was "Folly you fools" which, in my book means, "Run you idiots"...
Sachiko Raven
Sachiko Raven - پیش 2 روز
Douche
DaGamerGirl YT
DaGamerGirl YT - پیش 2 روز
He says run you fools...
Goroto Jr.
Goroto Jr. - پیش 2 روز
Fly also mean run you dense cabbage. If you actually flew to Mordor the nazgûl and ballistae would catch you or shoot you down in seconds upon your arrival.
mugglesarecooltoo
mugglesarecooltoo - پیش 2 روز
European Alps - wears Norwegian hat.
Riley McClure
Riley McClure - پیش 2 روز
It feels wrong to say the name of a false god,thus is wrong.
hassan Talpur
hassan Talpur - پیش 2 روز
Exept for dwarves? Watch any scene from the movie.
Jacob Rank
Jacob Rank - پیش 2 روز
The one was forged by celebrimbor
Armin Johansson
Armin Johansson - پیش 2 روز
If Gandalf could remain within proximity of the ring, couldn't the Eagles do it to?
lucozademan999
lucozademan999 - پیش 3 روز
Interesting title of the vid, first 30 seconds went by.... Wtf am i watching. Trying way to hard.
Jimicus Jolcen
Jimicus Jolcen - پیش 3 روز
"sow-ron"
Ben Kidd
Ben Kidd - پیش 3 روز
The reason he might not have said "fly using eagles" instead of "fly you fools" is because spies of Saruman or other creatures may have heard and therefore reported back, making it impossible.
magicscot
magicscot - پیش 3 روز
Not to nitpick, but I suppose I'm going to anyway … If you pored through The Silmarillion, Unfinished Tales, letters, etc. then you should know that Tolkien's Christian beliefs were reflected in there actually being only one true god, Iluvatar or Eru. The Valar & Maiar were his world's equivalent of archangels & angels respectively. That's right … The wizards & Sauron were Maiar & thus angels. Also, if memory serves correctly, Tolkien said that all the races, including the Eagles, were engaged in their own battles against Sauron's forces, further preventing them from assisting much. Otherwise, I agree 100% with this theory.
Pablo Espinosa
Pablo Espinosa - پیش 5 ساعت
" Tolkien's Christian beliefs were reflected in there actually being only one true god, Iluvatar or Eru" that statement actually is incorrect, Valar are also gods. Illuvatar just happend to be the first one. The Valar have all the characteristics you would expect from a god, they have a divine origin, the have power over some aspects of nature or reality, they had a participation in the creation of the world, and there's people on middle earth who worship them.
Brendon Kennedy
Brendon Kennedy - پیش 3 روز
the reason Frodo was picked to carry the ring is because like him and most hobbits, Frodo has no desire to do anything besides eat and nap in breezy fields.
Frankie Reyes
Frankie Reyes - پیش 3 روز
Ridiculous, they didn't have to fly into mordor, simply, close enough.
perfection59
perfection59 - پیش 3 روز
Bollox they dont have fingers. The ring wouldnt work on a chain. Total bollox!
markus saarnio
markus saarnio - پیش 3 روز
actually when gwaihir saved gandalf from isengard, it took him to rohan, and he took horse shadowfax and rode back to shire. gwaihir never carried him over the mountains or to eagles eyrie, but to rohan, where he was declined by theoden who told gandalf to take a horse and begone
Andromeda Prima
Andromeda Prima - پیش 3 روز
They should just let john cena carry frodo into mordor. Problem solved. Everyone is alive. Happy ending. Duh
Darth Sideous
Darth Sideous - پیش 3 روز
The hobbit was good my niggas
Trump is a Pedophile
Trump is a Pedophile - پیش 4 روز
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhNttwufp1g
they can't stop stealing.
Trump is a Pedophile
Trump is a Pedophile - پیش 4 روز
https://www.reddit.com/r/FanTheories/comments/3w568y/the_film_theorists_on_youtube_clearly_stole_the/
Trump is a Pedophile
Trump is a Pedophile - پیش 4 روز
Why does he keep stealing from other youtubers and trying to pass it off as his own?
David Stoyanoff
David Stoyanoff - پیش 4 روز
dude needs to switch to decaf. I love LOTR but couldn't get past 4 1/2 minutes of this annoying person. Now I don't even care why the Eagles didn't fly the ring to Mordor because my ears are filled with melted brain.
Jacques Ford
Jacques Ford - پیش 4 روز
hen hen hen hached a plan cuz you know they are birds 3:25
Jebact
Jebact - پیش 4 روز
I thought that Gandalf mentions in fotr (book) that the eagles won't help because it's not their business. The only reason they help at all is cause they owe Gandalf and he's friends with the leader. They wouldn't get so directly involved. Also they even talk about using eagles at the council of elrond (book) and Gandalf tells them it won't work.
whiteknightcat
whiteknightcat - پیش 3 روز
The only mention of the eagles I see in the Council of Elrond is where Gandalf relates his story of escape from Orthanc due to the aid of Gwaihir.
Stefan Walicord
Stefan Walicord - پیش 4 روز
Thank you so much. This needed to die.
Björn Erlendur
Björn Erlendur - پیش 4 روز
5:07 and who was JRR Tolkien's AI scripter and QA tester?
Ditronus
Ditronus - پیش 4 روز
I don't get it. Why does the hobbit trilogy suck? Is it just cool to hate prequels now inconsistently?
whiteknightcat
whiteknightcat - پیش 3 روز
No. It's because a relatively simple story was expanded out (most say needlessly) into a massive trilogy by including appendix information, creating situations and plotlines from sheer dramatic license (Legolas and Tauriel), and significantly altered the canonical work for the sake of a forced plotline (Azog had been dead for more than 150 years). Many perceive these deviations were not so much to make the movie flow better than the book on the big screen, but to increase audience appeal and profit.
Björn Erlendur
Björn Erlendur - پیش 4 روز
Mörðr
Dustinmaester
Dustinmaester - پیش 4 روز
for some reason I thought he said Run you fools. wtf is this a mandela effect? im from another univserse and I was sent here too ruin your lifes????
Lawliet
Lawliet - پیش 4 روز
Sry this makes me sick
Stale Instant Ramen
Stale Instant Ramen - پیش 4 روز
The eagle thing isn't even a plot hole. Sauron was obviously keeping tabs on big players like the eagles. They would easily get spotted and get shut down, giving Sauron the ring.
This is kinda the point of getting Frodo to carry the ring to Mordor. The hobbits were always overlooked, ignored and never looked at as a serious threat by Sauron, making them ideal to sneakily carry the ring to Mordor.
Yllegjord F
Yllegjord F - پیش 4 روز
All this talk of power is exactly the point that Tolkien is trying to make, or, in his own words, the story he is trying to tell: power comes with arrogance and this is its downfall, because individuals that are considered small and insignificant can change the history of the whole world. This battle is not to be won by clashing strengths (they tried this and failed, remember) but with the smallest of the small embarking on their own hero's journey. The difference between the good side and the bad side is not who is the most powerful, but being able to see those small ones and not just randomly crush them for their own purposes.
Also, cathartic doesn't mean what you think it means.
NoTtOGoOd
NoTtOGoOd - پیش 4 روز
here one for bilbo, it is why hes eye turn that way and his teeth go messed up and all evil like when he is tempted by the ring again. it is because he is so old, as said on here your power is directly linked to how old you are and while bilbo had the ring he lived for over 100 years increasing his power as a hobbit there for when he transforms as such when tempted by the ring it is because he has gotten more powerful with age there for it lets him wield more of its power.
Robbie Hall
Robbie Hall - پیش 4 روز
3:46 But it did fly over the mountains, you literally just said that 3:11
BrassBoy1120
BrassBoy1120 - پیش 4 روز
The Hobbit movies were not bad. They were really good!
James Johnson
James Johnson - پیش 4 روز
Flying to Mordor definitely would of made for a very short and rather crap book. And as for why the Hobbit trilogy was so bad, simple The Hobbit is just one book that is 272 pages long which is approximately the number of pages it takes Frodo to reach Rivendell in the Fellowship of the Ring.
Rustymcnut
Rustymcnut - پیش 4 روز
You missed Eru Illuvatar who ranks above the Valar.
Also just a note the term for both Valar and Maiar is Ainur
Rustymcnut
Rustymcnut - پیش 4 روز
And while you are talking about if the eagles got the ring, the ones above them in the hierarchy, like the actual Maiar would make more powerful lords. Besides, the purpose of the One Ring is to assume dominion over the other rings. Basically mind controlling the other ringbearers.
Rustymcnut
Rustymcnut - پیش 4 روز
And while the eagles helped, it was ultimately Elendil that felled Ancalgalon.
Tim Wells
Tim Wells - پیش 5 روز
Hey I watched a few of your theory videos Matt, I dig them I love them keep doing them I've never actually commented on any of them I don't think dot-dot. But this f****** Eagle One, I remember having this conversation with friends of mine like when the original trilogy came out and saying some of the same s***... But I never actually read any of the f****** books because I was young and have video games played Sports and I didn't want to read books till I grew the f****** and started getting into fantasy and Dungeons & Dragons s*** Game of ice and fire songs, but yeah the Eagles were like a ex machina f****** Godmachine dot-dot-dot too powerful, and I did read some of his like little lore books like you were talking about where he does say that they're kind of like half angel type creatures you know same reason why the wizard didn't just carry the ring. I just think it's funny that if me at like a little kid age could one shot the movie and immediately recognized that concept without ever reading the books and then continue to argue it 4 years after the movies was pretty incredible just as a living self-aware Bean oh, it's kind of wild to think that little kid me already understood and accepted theological Concepts from abstract realities let alone the actual one we live in dot-dot-dot but mad respect keep doing your thing Matt!!
timomastosalo
timomastosalo - پیش 5 روز
Tolkien's fantasy world does have one God: Eru Ilúvatar. Valar were kinda like his 'children' - we could call them high angels - who did have their part in creating the world (Arda). But they could only create within the framework set by Eru.
Addison Riley
Addison Riley - پیش 5 روز
*1:12 why was the Norse rune of Frey on the hobbit door?
gaseous snake
gaseous snake - پیش 5 روز
Haven't watched the video, but the tolkein explanation of why they don't take the eagles is simply because the eagles would be corrupted by the ring before they made it instead of completing the job
adam stinton
adam stinton - پیش 5 روز
o no not again
Guust Flater
Guust Flater - پیش 5 روز
one does not just fly into mordor without an eye seeing ure bird hanging out before u reach it ...
Jack karlsson
Jack karlsson - پیش 5 روز
as boromir said "there's great evil behind the gates that does not sleep, the Eye watches"
Kemal Mutlu
Kemal Mutlu - پیش 5 روز
Sauron always watching all of Middle Earth and searching for the ring. Battle of Minas Tirith happens because Pippin touches Palanthir and Sauron thinks he got the ring and he wanted to capture him. Sauron knows that one hobbit got the ring but he don't know which one. Also Mordor always swarms with orcs and Fellbeasts. It's not very smart to hop on a eagle and fly towards Sauron screaming "Hey Sauron we have your ring and we are coming to destroy you." He doesn't know anything about the destruction of ring because he thinks people of Middle-Earth would never do such thing. Even Frodo changed his mind at the last point but his fight with Gollum caused to ring to fall into lava.
MrPicklerwoof
MrPicklerwoof - پیش 5 روز
It's perfectly simple: The ring cannot be knowingly destroyed. By anyone (with perhaps the exception of Bombadil, but even that's debatable).
Gwahir would have not flown to Mt Doom and dunked the ring. It would have corrupted his mind long before that point. If Gwahir had carried a ringbearer, he would have turned against that ringbearer long before that point also. It's sort of the whole point of the books really. It's the same reason Gandalf can't carry it.
It was ultimately destroyed by accident and that was always going to be the only way.
Saiem Tariq
Saiem Tariq - پیش 5 روز
PLEASE TELL ME THATS HIW MATPAT FLIRTED WITH STEPH😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Donald Jaramillo
Donald Jaramillo - پیش 5 روز
Kudos for referencing the Jack Black/Sara Michelle Gellar Fellowship parody.
Gary Mcpirate
Gary Mcpirate - پیش 5 روز
In The Hobbit, the eagles say they don't fly over the lands of men incase they get shot down. Why would they fly over hundreds of miles of men and then over an orc army in full view of everyone. They picked Frodo and Sam up because the orc army had been dispersed and their risk was pretty much gone.
Skaarxiong1
Skaarxiong1 - پیش 5 روز
if they weren't fighting something or getting chase, the movie in whole is was boring ass fuck! i mean, the old cartoon was better than the live action. hell, even that movie, Willow was better than LOTR because Willow didn't need 3 boring movies to tell a story. well, if they would of used the eagles and fly to Mordor, there wouldn't be 3 boring movies and the people involve with the movies would be out of a job.
yourgreatgramps
yourgreatgramps - پیش 5 روز
Hey!



*the hobbit was good*
kome360
kome360 - پیش 5 روز
Answer: Because [spoiler]Talion[/spoiler] is too big a badass rider to NOT kill them mid-flight.
MMM tis Moribund Murdoch!
MMM tis Moribund Murdoch! - پیش 5 روز
legaleagle
Bertie Van Eeden
Bertie Van Eeden - پیش 5 روز
finally, matpat will have a fourth channel, it shall be called The Theory Theorists.
Stine Smith
Stine Smith - پیش 5 روز
Now discont the Jar Jar theory
Bibsquid 707
Bibsquid 707 - پیش 5 روز
We just started the hobbit in school.
montagne 1234
montagne 1234 - پیش 5 روز
the middle earth games have some lore
Dan S
Dan S - پیش 5 روز
I disagree with the premise that the great eagles were on par with the Maiar in power, unless you count the great eagles of the 2nd age where Thorondor actually wounded Morgoth on the face. Not even close, actually. Thorondor is the greatest eagle king, and this was where the 30 fathom wingspan came from - the absolute largest. I'm assuming 3rd age eagles weren't even a 1/4 that powerful and much smaller. A Balrog is of the Maiar class, and you can't tell me a lone great eagle, even the 3rd age eagle lord, Gwaihir, could go toe to toe with a Balrog. Gandalf himself lost his life overcoming presumably one of the weaker Balrogs - that's how powerful even lesser Maiar are. And Sauron is one of the most powerful, if not the most powerful Maiar of all.
My assumption is that eagles are about on par with the Ents, High Elves, Giants, Drakes and some of the larger Trolls in individual power (at least in the 3rd age), which still makes them extremely formidable. Especially in numbers (as Isengard witnessed with the Ents). But yeah, Sauron would have BBQ'd them long before they got close to Mt. Doom.
REALwoombath
REALwoombath - پیش 6 روز
Hobbit movies ruled though.
Wi-Fi TV
Wi-Fi TV - پیش 6 روز
What I wanna know is why middle Earth has been in their medieval period for millennia.
I know the Shire is getting close to an industrial revolution but even they're still stuck in the 1700s after thousands of years.
I wanna know why middle Earth has stagnated technologically
Mash
Mash - پیش 6 روز
The alps arent in norway mat
Minimal Maximalist
Minimal Maximalist - پیش 6 روز
If you fly ...you die ....
The New world order...
Private Keep out
Private Keep out - پیش 6 روز
The one ring changes its size
A General Idea
A General Idea - پیش 6 روز
This just blew my mind to bits 😲
Backon Lazer
Backon Lazer - پیش 6 روز
I'm pretty sure I saw a video (don't remember by whom) explaining that the eagles are weak against the allure of the Ring because they are actually the third most powerful beings in Middle Earth (after the maiar that include Gandalf, Saruman etc. Then there are some beings even above that). The stronger the being the more the Ring's power entices them. That is why the Ring can be relatively "safely" be carried by a Hobbit since they are one of the weaker races.
Now I wonder if MatPat ends up with the same conclusion.
Edit: Yup, just that. I wish I could remember who made the video =/
Backon Lazer
Backon Lazer - پیش 6 روز
Now that I look at the date when this video was published, I wonder if I compared the video to itself, lol!
joel mac
joel mac - پیش 7 روز
football



oh you mean soccer
Siegebreaker94
Siegebreaker94 - پیش 7 روز
And now I can watch the series again without thinking of a huge plot hole that just annoys me. Thank you!
lygophile
lygophile - پیش 7 روز
none of this was funny. please stop trying to be funny, 'cause you're not.
Sir Umbra
Sir Umbra - پیش 7 روز
I have one question.
In the hobbit the eagles rescue the dwarfs AND Bilbo, who already has the ring in his pocket.
Why weren't the eagles tempted to take the ring?
Martin Smouter
Martin Smouter - پیش 7 روز
Other reason, if you're keeping the guys at the gates busy with an army, one eagle devision has a much lower chance of being destroyed, while when you send only an eagle division to bring some idiots into enemy they will be shot down.
Gamer Tamer
Gamer Tamer - پیش 7 روز
at 4:58 it says fly using fools
Supur Gogetuh
Supur Gogetuh - پیش 7 روز
Sauron without the One Ring is still strong enough to assehoop some bird out of the sky.
Not to mention howmany fellbeast Sauron may have in Mordor.
Lars
Lars - پیش 7 روز
"Fly you fools" was not a sound theory from the beginning, because the translations have always used a term that means "run away" e.g. "flieht ihr Narren" in German.
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